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Burnsville Boy Scout leader charged with criminal sexual conduct


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The Burnsville Police Department is investigating a criminal sexual conduct case involving a Burnsville man who was the leader of Boy Scout Troup 650 and are looking for other children who may have been victims.

Peter Robert Stibal, II, 44, was charged with six counts of criminal sexual conduct today regarding the alleged sexual molestation of three boys.

Stibal was a volunteer with Boy Scout Troop 650 and most recently had been the troop’s scoutmaster, serving in that position since 2003. He was also an assistant scoutmaster and held various other volunteer positions with the troop for the past decade.

Anyone with information or questions pertaining to this investigation should contact the Burnsville Police Department at (952) 895-4600.

The charges allege that the sexual molestations all occurred while Stibal was a leader of Troop 650, according to Dakota County Attorney James Backstrom. Specifically, Stibal has been charged with two counts of first-degree criminal sexual conduct and four counts of second-degree criminal sexual conduct.

“Charges of sexual abuse under these circumstances are extremely disturbing,” Backstrom said.

A statement by the Northern Star Council of the Boy Scouts of America reads:

“We were saddened and disturbed to learn about the recent charges of sexual abuse against a former scouting volunteer. Our thoughts and prayers are with the young people and families affected. Upon learning of these allegations we immediately revoked this individual's membership and he will never again participate in scouting.”

Background checks are conducted on all of the 20,000-plus volunteers, the statement reads. Stibal had no prior history of inappropriate behavior.

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“Our council staff has been working with the Troop leadership and chartering organization. Three council staff members as well a law enforcement official have met with Troop members, parents and Troop leaders to answer questions, provide assistance and to offer support.

“The safety of our 100,000 youth members and participants is our highest priority. The BSA seeks to prevent child abuse through a comprehensive program of education for both youth and adults, chartered organization leader selection procedures, criminal and other background checks, barriers to abuse such as ‘two deep’ leadership requirements, prompt reporting and swift action.

“We are deeply troubled by the alleged actions of this individual which violate the values and ideals of the Boy Scouts of America, the Northern Star Council, its members, volunteers and chartering organizations. We continue to fully cooperate with the prosecutor's office in their investigation of this matter.”

Stibal made his first appearance in court today and bail was set at $1 million without conditions and $500,000 with multiple conditions by Judge Kathryn Messerich. His next court appearance will be Dec. 7 at 9 a.m. in Hastings.

First-degree criminal sexual conduct is a felony and carries a penalty of 12-30 years in prison and/or a $12,000-$40,000 fine for each count. Second-degree criminal sexual conduct is also a felony and carries a penalty of 0-25 years in prison and/or a $10,500-$35,000 fine for each count.

 Shawn Hogendorf   




I guess this is why the Boy...

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I guess this is why the Boy Scouts do not want homosexuals in their private organization and I don't blame them.


Submitted by kidjon on October 21, 2009 - 8:18pm.

That comment makes you a...

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That comment makes you a complete moron... Does that mean if the Super America gets robbed tonight by a black man you would be ok with them allowing only whites in there from now on?

Give me a break!


Submitted by CreatureOfTheNight on October 23, 2009 - 8:52pm.

I agree with Creature, that...

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I agree with Creature, that was low!


Submitted by Firebug II on October 23, 2009 - 9:02pm.

Kid, In some areas you are...

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Kid,

In some areas you are quite educated, others...oh boy....

A pedophile is not a homosexual. A pedophile is a physcological disorder in which an individual has a strong sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children.

Let's put it this way. If a man molested a young girl would the logic be that the man was simply acting on his hetrosexuality? Of course not.

Many pedophiles abuse both boys and girls. Why? Because pedophilia is a psychological disorder and not simply a sexual prefernece.

Your anti-gay stance is based on bigotry and ignorance.

Please know that many of us read your post and make the exact same connection as we would if you had made a racist, anti-semitist, etc. comment. If you want to be taken seriously when you comment here, it would be best to always maintain a position as though you are an educated person. It will give a lot more weight to your other viewponits.


Submitted by applepiemmmmm on October 24, 2009 - 9:50am.

applepie, you are correct....

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applepie, you are correct. Homosexuality does not equate to being a pedophile. I obviously did a poor job communicating my thoughts. I did not mean to convey that belief.

I believe the Boy Scouts are playing the odds when it comes to their policy of excluding gays from leadership positions. They believe the chances of sexual abuse/contact are reduced if you exclude gays from leadership. Going back to my Boy Scout days, you can be a Boy Scout until the age of 20 1/2. If you have a 15 year old son in the Scouts, and he is going on overnight camping trips with his Scout pack, would you rather have a married man who probably has a son in the pack, or would you rather have a gay man? As a father, the answer to that question is a no brainer. Not knowing the suspect in this case, I would be willing to bet that he lives a homosexual lifestyle.

Right or wrong, this is a policy the Boy Scouts have a right to have just like parents that disagree with this policy have a right to keep their sons away from the Boy Scouts.

As far as the charge of being ignorant. Yea, I am probably ignorant in some things. As far as being a bigot, no, that is not true. If someone wants to live the gay lifestyle, I do not care, just don't bring it into my little bubble. I have my opinions, and I develop those opinions on my life experiences.

I guess I better prepare my bunker for the heat rounds that will come in following these comments.


Submitted by kidjon on October 25, 2009 - 8:53am.

Kid, I understand what you...

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Kid,

I understand what you are saying, but the point is that you are making incorrect assumptions.

You state: "If you have a 15 year old son in the Scouts, and he is going on overnight camping trips with his Scout pack, would you rather have a married man who probably has a son in the pack, or would you rather have a gay man?"

and then you state, "Not knowing the suspect in this case, I would be willing to bet that he lives a homosexual lifestyle."

This is exactly my point. Statistically, child molesters are white male pedophiles, married and religious. You can research yourself.

The truth is a married man is more likely to molest a boy scout than an openly gay man. I am not making this stuff up, it's fact

The idea that child molesters are most always gay men is totally innaccurate. It is a belief that has been held by many for far too long. It is a damaging stereotype.

Want to find where the child molseters are most likely on a Sunday morning?

They are sitting in church next to their wives!


Submitted by applepiemmmmm on October 25, 2009 - 9:27am.

Ouch! Dang, that hurt. I...

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Ouch! Dang, that hurt. I guess I am ignorant then. I can't wait to read teh responses to that one, applepie. And I thought I was controversial. Great discussion. I love the 1st Amendment.


Submitted by kidjon on October 25, 2009 - 9:43am.

Kid it looks like you and I...

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Kid it looks like you and I won't be
getting our "WEBELOS" badge anytime soon. LOL


Submitted by PAT T LAND on October 24, 2009 - 5:53pm.

Pat, haven't heard from you...

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Pat, haven't heard from you in a while. Thanks for the laugh this early Sunday morning.


Submitted by kidjon on October 25, 2009 - 8:54am.

Applepie, now that I have...

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Applepie, now that I have returned from church where I was sitting next to my wife, I can expand on your last comments. My inner voice of truth tells me that I am still right. There are pedophiles all over this country. Going with your argument tells me that the Boy Scouts need to exlude married ment that are Christians to reduce the odds of sexual abuse/contact. And, that I am a higher risk to molest kids than the homosexual male that trolls parks and interstate weigh stations for anonymous sex with as many partners as possible just because I happen to go to church and am married. I just do not buy that.

Now, if you are talking about the Catholic church and their recent problems, that is a different issue. Years ago, the Catholic church of the United States made a decision to allow homosexuals to be priests. Since that decision, the Catholic church has paid out hundreds of millions of dollars in lawsuits because of the sexual abuse problems(and rightfully so). So, you do have a point about churches. It is a shame.

The Catholic church did not have a pedophile problem. They had a homosexual problem. If you look at the victims, they were mostly teenage males. There were some young boys, a few young girls, a few teenage girls, but mostly teenage boys that were groomed by homosexual priests. Keep in mind that the age of consent in most States is 16 and younger in other countries.

So, I agree, there are married men sitting in churches next to their wife that are child molesters (and hypocrites). However, i don't think it is even close the predominant class of people that commit the crime of child sexual abuse. I could tell you a whole boatload of stories that are related to my occupation that forms my opinion about life and other things.

One thing about my occupation-it has developed an undersanding that this Country is made up of an incredibly diverse group of people that gives me and my fellow workmates some great jokes. And, the reason that this country is so great is the Constitution and the freedoms it guarantees.

Thank God and the founding fathers for the 1st and 2nd Amendment.

Applepie, I look forward to your reply, and the reply of others.


Submitted by kidjon on October 25, 2009 - 9:48pm.

Kid, Your inner voice does...

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Kid,

Your inner voice does not follow the statistics.

On to the Catholic Church. You said the Catholic Church made a decision to allow homosexuals to be priests? You can't possibly believe that do you? Who made that decision, the Pope. That's laughable.

You said the church had a homosexual problem. They had a sexual predator problem. Sexual predators, whether they are pedophiles or not, will often go to great lengths to find victims. And the Catholic Church did not all of a sudden have a bunch of victims of sexual abuse in the last few years after a so-called decision to allow gay men to be priests. Theses cases are more often than not decades old.

And as far as your age of consent argument goes, I don't know about Washington, but in the state of Minnesota a 16 year olds can not give sexual consent to a person in a position of authority, of which a priest clearly applies.

I think you are missing my point. Most adult-to-adult rapes take place where the perpetrator is male and the victim is female. Does that mean that most heterosexual males are potential rapists? Of course not.

The bottom line is when a person is sexually victimizing another person, sexual preference is not the issue and implying homosexuals are more likely to abuse children is statistically false.

Sex crimes are about control, violence, mental disorder, period.

Leave it that.


Submitted by applepiemmmmm on October 26, 2009 - 6:59pm.

The answer to your question...

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The answer to your question of who made the decision to allow homosexuals into the priesthood, it was the U.S. Catholic Church.

After Vatican II, and in conformity with the broader cultural changes of the Sixties, the U.S. Catholic Church allowed homosexuals to enter the priesthood in increasing numbers. The homosexual orientation itself, it was stressed, was not sinful. So as long as a homosexual adhered to the very same vow of celibacy taken by his heterosexual counterpart, there was no reason to deprive him of a priestly vocation. (Kurtz)

And to refute your statement that the Catholic Church had a sexual predator problem.

The problem is not clerical pedophilia, but homosexuality. The distinction is important, because most victims of Catholic clergy abuse are adolescents. Strictly speaking, pedophilia is the sexual molestation of a pre-pubescent child of either sex, but the overriding problem is the abuse of older children from 12 to 18. More than 90 percent of the cases involve the clerical molestation of teen-age young men. (Westerman)

Kurtz, Stanley. 03 June 2002. National Review Online. 1 November 2009 http://www.nationalreview.com/03june02/kurtz060302.asp.
Westerman, Toby. 24 March 2002. World Net Daily. 1 November 2009 http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26940.


Submitted by Philip Oliver Hole on November 1, 2009 - 8:42pm.

Thank you, Phillip. You...

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Thank you, Phillip. You nailed it. It wasn't a pedophile problem.


Submitted by kidjon on November 1, 2009 - 11:47pm.

And I didn't have to go to...

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And I didn't have to go to Rush or Glen to get the information. And for Applepie's sake, I hope I used a format so I could be taken "seriously". And hopefully, I maintained a position as though I was an educated person. I think the word "educated" is a euphemism for "indoctrinated".


Submitted by Philip Oliver Hole on November 2, 2009 - 3:04pm.

You're right, you didn't...

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You're right, you didn't have to go to Rush or Glen for this information. Instead, you went to William F. Buckley, Jr. as though there is a big difference. You do realize the articles you attached are opinion pieces from conservative media outlets right?

The direct quotes you use are opinions, not your own of course. No "indoctrination" in using the words of others to make your point.

Your quote from Stanley Kurtz is meerly opinion. Please supply me with the direct mandate to allow homosexuals into the priesthood. You can't.

This, however is a direct quote from Cardinal Grocholewski:

"The candidate does not necessarily have to practise homosexuality. He can even be without sin," the Cardinal said. "But if he has this deep-seated tendency, he cannot be admitted to priestly ministry precisely because of the nature of the priesthood, in which a spiritual paternity is carried out. Here we are not talking about whether he commits sins, but whether this deeply rooted tendency remains."

And I'm sorry, but I consider an adult who takes advantage of an adolescent for sexual purposes to be a sexual predator. This behavior is illegal for a reason.

In recent decades there have been hundreds if not thousands of cases where adult male teachers, coaches, etc. have been charged with sexual assualt for engaging in sexual contact with female minors.

By using your same logic, apparently America's schools have a heterosexual problem.

Your undercutting remarks will do nothing to win your argument. We will just have to agree to disagree. You can stick to your anti-gay position, and I will continue to argue that the overwhelming majority of gay men (as well as straight men) in this country have no desire to be sexually abusive toward others.


Submitted by applepiemmmmm on November 2, 2009 - 5:17pm.

Apple, Stop wasting your...

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Apple,

Stop wasting your time on jonkid. I like that name better(it's rightfully deserving!!!)


Submitted by zman on October 27, 2009 - 10:39am.

Right on Apple! I like it...

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Right on Apple! I like it when someone's idiocy and innacurate comments are challenged. The Catholic Church allowing homesexual men to be priests? Where'd he get that? Rush or Glen? Zman is right. jonkid is a better moniker for Mr. "rightfully so". He's obviously frustrated living in Washington State, and I resent his commenting on who our next mayor should be. Oh, I forgot about his First Ammendment rights.


Submitted by ilikelakes on October 27, 2009 - 10:48am.

Kid - how about if my gay...

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Kid - how about if my gay brother brings his son into scouts? Can he be a chaperone? Just wondering.


Submitted by peachesncream on October 27, 2009 - 12:36pm.

I don't know. I guess you...

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I don't know. I guess you would have to aske the Boy Scouts.


Submitted by kidjon on October 28, 2009 - 9:32pm.

Listen up folks. I am...

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Listen up folks. I am outraged at all of this petty sniping, political correctness, religious persecution, etc., which diverts the attention away from being ticked off at this prime example of human debris, this child molester.

THE POINT IS folks, we have a pedophile who was let to run amok in a local Boy Scout troop. How anyone posting here, wants to sugarcoat, be sidetracked or attack another poster DOES NOTHING to change, that a pedophile that molested innocent children.

This person was not reported through proper channels using the safeguards put in place by the Boy Scouts. There was a significant failure of the parents that had suspicions and/or questions when this pedophile was alone with individual boys for large amounts of time.

The offender went against protocol that TWO adults must be with the kids at all times. No parent or other adult leaders reported any of the observed deviations from this policy, which the parents were supposed to given copies of. Failure in policy distribution, use common sense, report your suspicions.
Boy Scout guidelines link:(http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/GSS/gss01.aspx)
More information on the offender link: (www.StarTribune.com).

Get outraged at the offender and the parents that did not report their suspicions or report clear violations of the Boy Scout Health and Safety policy. Remember the innocent victims.

Here is a link from a 2008 Psychology Today article that defines pedophilia and homosexual/heterosexuality. In short, a pedophile does not care about the gender of the child; a pedophile has sexual desire for a child. The average person does not know the difference of these definitions.
(http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/gays-anatomy/200809/homosexuality-an...).


Submitted by Justmeagain on October 27, 2009 - 1:51pm.

you are right jstmeagain. I...

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you are right jstmeagain. I thin we all agree on one thing, this creep needs to go away to prison for a long, long time so he can no longer victimize children. Thank you for pointing out the obvious.


Submitted by kidjon on October 28, 2009 - 9:36pm.

Jonkid: Every issue you ever...

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Jonkid:

Every issue you ever comment on always ends up with the obvious. The problem is the obvious is always stated 10 comments earlier. You choose to prolong it.

What's next? Your justification of Matt Lehman for Mayor from the state of Washington?? Look out readers!!


Submitted by zman on October 29, 2009 - 10:01am.

And we all lived happy ever...

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And we all lived happy ever after.


Submitted by PAT T LAND on October 29, 2009 - 12:32am.

Justmeagain - you are so so...

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Justmeagain - you are so so right and thank you for bring the argument back to where it should be.

I still have gay minister friend with a son that didn't join the Boy Scouts....sorry - like a dog with a bone, Kidjon really blew me away with some of his statements.


Submitted by peachesncream on October 29, 2009 - 10:25am.

Justmeagain, So, you are...

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Justmeagain,

So, you are outraged? At what exactly? Are you outraged that I stood up for a group of people in our nation that fight negative and false stereotypes every day? Well, if that is the case, I am sorry for that. What you call "political correctness" I call a demand for justice for all Americans regardless of sexual preference.

Thanks for telling me what THE POINT is. Maybe you missed my point through your "outrage".

Interesting that you seem to make a parellel between debating the merits of an assumption that child molesters are gay and some how condoning the actions of the predator as though some how standing up of the rights and dignity of homosexuals means I am ignoring the crime.

And you read religious persecution into my comments? Really?

Educated people can stand up and voice their opinions when they see misinformation passed on as fact. If that "outrages" you, I would suggest you not read user comments.

If it helps, this will be my last post on this topic.


Submitted by applepiemmmmm on October 29, 2009 - 12:44pm.

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